. >> senator hagel is likely to march 1.med aon can he do anything? [indiscernible] >> i do not know that are is a lot that whoever it is at that time can really do. other than try to be straightforward and open with congress and the american people about what the real impacts would be and not just talking points, but coming out with what the impacts would be. let the people make an informed decision on what is best for the country. that is about the best that any defense can do in any situation. i want to go on. my last slide before we close is to put all of this together. in the next few months, i think it is madness. we're looking at late february and early march, the treasury says that they will be running out of options to avoid reaching the debt ceiling. if congress does nothing to increase the debt ceiling by then, we could be looking at a government default. even if it is not a default on our debt and the treasury says they will prioritize interest on payments, we're still looking at at a default under government obligation. that means the tre